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Historic vehicels exempt , kit cars exempt ...
Me thinks the Repair Shop Lobby Groups and Save The Mosquito Lobby Groups are pretty well organized as compared to the Car Enthusiast Lobby Groups.
We are big enough that we should stand together and put an end to this foolishness but we don't.
Sheldon
...Here is there list of exempt vehicels
Vehicles exempt from Drive Clean testing requirements:
Vehicles that have an Ontario Ministry of Transportation-issued “Historic” licence plate are permanently exempt from Drive Clean testing.
- all hybrid vehicles (those powered by a combination of internal combustion engines and electric motors)
- vehicles manufactured before 1988
- vehicles currently designated as “Historic” under the Highway Traffic Act
- light-duty commercial farm vehicles
- kit cars
- motorcycles
While 1987 and older light-duty vehicles are exempt from Drive Clean, they are still subject to the Environmental Protection Act. Anywhere in Ontario, Provincial Officers can stop and inspect a vehicle suspected of emitting excessive exhaust smoke or of having emissions control equipment tampered with or removed. Penalties include warnings, notices, tickets and summonses. For serious infractions, officers can use legally binding Provincial Officer Orders, and/or seize vehicle licence plates.
what I got for now hope this helps
Yes, this is pretty much what I wrote about before, on this previous thread. There appears to be two balls in play, here.
Historic vehicles and kit cars are exempt from Drive Clean testing -- i.e., when you renew your plates/registration or when you transfer the ownership -- but they don't seem to be exempt from Drive Clean emissions standards as set out in the Environmental Protection Act and Regulations. This strikes me as a very confusing double standard. And I shudder to think of the conversation I'd have with a Smog Patrol officer or cop during a roadside check or car show "sting."
I own a kit car (427 Cobra replica), but I'm not the original owner/builder. My car was first built and lawfully certified and registered, without having to pass a Drive Clean test. Its ownership has lawfully been transferred a few times before coming into my possession, without having to pass a Drive Clean test. I've lawfully renewed the registration for several years now, without having to pass a Drive Clean test.
But apparently the Smog Patrol and cops have the authority to randomly conduct a roadside check and/or order a Drive Clean test of my car, with penalties ranging from fines to the seizure of my plates. WTF!!
You can see why this whole subject has me very worried...
I think that people are getting too excited about the possibility of being forced to undergo a test at a Drive Clean facility here in Ontario with a rod or kit car that doesn’t fit into the usual 2 year testing cycle. While this is legally possible, I doubt if it’s being done very often, if at all, right now. The much bigger issue is the overzealous enforcement of the emission equipment rules by MOE’s enforcement staff during roadside inspection “blitzes”. While MOE officers can force a vehicle into a DC centre for an actual tail pipe test, their focus seems to be on inspecting vehicles for the equipment that their big book (they use the “MOTOR Emission Control Systems Application” manual) says the car must have, and to lay charges based on that inspection. That really is the big problem in Ontario, not Drive Clean.
If you can prove your car was built before January 1st 1999, you have nothing to worry about. If it was built after that date, then you will need to pass 1980 standards. If you're running a newer engine like a crate motor, or something from a donor car, you will have to meet the emission standards for the year of the engine.
You have contacted your MP to put a complaint in about this law? Haven't you?
We need more gay lesbian transgender rodders . They would stick that smog hose were it belonged. Dorian
My individual position is weak under the current laws. But I'm prepared to join a group effort to lobby for change on behalf of all hobby car owners.
Are we more concerned about the 'people' enforcing the law, and not the law itself as it has been written ...
As the driver of a pre 1980 car, I would hate to be told to go through the Drive Clean and meet the 1980 standards ...
Q: What are the emission requirements for a 1968 Chevy with the original engine?
A: This vehicle must:
•meet the visible emission standards
•meet the emission standards for the model year of the vehicle (1968). As there were none, the car must meet the emissions standards for 1980 and earlier model year vehicles if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test
•have all the original emissions control equipment, or its equivalent, attached and functioning.
FYI, this vehicle is not considered to be a “hot rod’ because it has the original engine for the make and model year. This is true even if it has other modifications.
It would seem foolish to test any 50's or 60's and probably 70's car on their machine, but that appears to be how the law is written. Some over zealous 'person' could use the same rational as being applied here to the owner of the '1968 Chevy' on my car ... but the only thing they could learn from testing my 1954 Cadillac with the origional motor and 100,000+ miles on it, would be how to clean up the insides of their machine ...
It seems to give them too much 'discretion' how they want to apply the law and justify their jobs ...
Saying that it must meet the visible emission standards and still have the emission controls (of the year of the car), if any, attached would be more 'reasonable' for any pre 1980 car, modified (newer engine or crate motor) or not ...
I agree with you that this is a problem. Why should an original 1940s, 1950s or 1960s vehicle etc. be expected to meet a standard that wasn't in force until decades after they were built? It's ludicrous!